The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

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I understand your thinking since I was raised in this religion. There is always a way to explain why things are ok being the way they are. An excuse for all the bad things according to what the bible says.

And yet, why is that? Why excuses and justifications on the behalf of God? It's the same for the Governing Body. When I grew up, there was never a discussion about whether the GB made mistakes - they were chosen by God's holy spirit as well as the elders. But now, they say they're just men who make mistakes. Makes them sound humble but it's just another way to deflect criticism.

I wouldn't have accepted cracks in this religion growing up. But eventually, events like the Dateline 20/20 show on how pedophiles are hidden in the congregations and not reported - articles on how it's ok to lie if for the good of the organization/god - and my sister's and husband experience with child sexual abuse found in the congregation and how the organization did exactly what the Dateline show revealed them to do.

I wish you the best Kosonen. It is up to each person to decide.

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

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So God is just a bad business person?

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It is like setting up a new enterprise. In the beginning things usually don't go as planned. But you work it out. You hire people but some make you disappointed. But you sort it out, but not in one day. And the final result is a joy for all who endured.

He created Adam and Eve. That 's a lot different than hiring someone off the street that you have nothing to do with. Joy to all those that endured God's failed business plan when he finally get's the result he wanted by letting billions suffer and then at the end wipes out the rest that doesn't fit his plan.

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

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1 Corinthians 13:4-7,13 states:
“Love is long-suffering and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, and does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, and endures all things. Now, however, there remain faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.”

I thought of this scripture when I read this post and the comments. Did God really suffer long in the case of Adam and Eve? Did he keep account of the injury? Did he express sadness at this occasion? Did he really think of the long picture when he allowed Adam and Eve's sin to impact all their future children?

In regards to Adam and Eve's children, I think of this scripture.

Deuteronomy 24:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

But we, the children of Adam and Eve, are being punished for their sins. Adam was supposed to die for his sins as well as Eve. But in order for God to show how ~~right~~ wise and loving he was, billions of people were going to have to die in various and terrible ways.

Interesting post about how one person rationalized about David's child and the above scripture in Deut.

Second, the Scripture does not indicate that David’s child was being punished for David’s sin. Rather, the Bible indicates that the death of the child was David’s punishment

That makes a big difference - really?

Kosonen

And if God is Love? Yes, absolutely. There was no other good way to fix the mankind than let all that has happened unfold. Just think about what happened in the preflood world when people could live 900 years. Instead of becoming nicer they got worse. Only 8 persons believed God. But look now when people's life span is about 70 or 80 years, so many more believe God.

So it was a loving thing to get to a point in humanity, that they die quicker. Of course there is all the in between parts of illness and growing old and falling apart.

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Zoom meetings to continue thru July

by Wakanda in

co is coming and expecting to zoom it in july.

also there is no talk about starting to slowly go back to the hall.

like having 1 group at the hall and the rest on zoom, etc.

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Sounds like a way to save a little money but there is the risk of followers enjoying the time off too much. You also could argue it's easier for the WT to make use of the paranoia. All those bunker videos now have a sense of reality going for them.

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July 2020 Watchtower - A little observation

by Listener in

this is a comment made in the latest study watchtower under the main discussion of humility.

11 jehovah values humility more than ability and unity more than eﬃciency.

therefore, do your best to serve jehovah with humility.

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Yeah the bible is about supporting the leaders of the religion but it also trickles down

Can't have people wanting to be the Captain when they need workers to maintain the ship - recruit other willing workers - and salute the captain.

In turn, you have the officers that enforce that rule - elders etc.

Make sure that the group heads - men/fathers - also have some acknowledgement from those under them - women and children.

Supposedly the leaders are humble towards God but there isn't much evidence of that.

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Young children and Corona @ jw.org OMG

by Gorbatchov in

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exploiding children for jw.org.. remember i was a young child, 40 years ago i wrote an article about the bible, from watchtower and awake sources.. still wish i never did.

my teacher gave me hell and said no more of this shit.. since then i was scared for being a jw.. now, i read this, shit hit the fan again.. https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/global/young-witnesses-become-resourceful-evangelizers-during-pandemic/.

g..

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Yeah they want them back in (the organization) for the money. If you have to take ice cream money from kids, you certainly don't want to miss out on an adults paycheck.

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Does this song sound familiar

by joe134cd in

https://youtu.be/k8l1y9wccee.

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It gets harder all the time to find where people find music to ~~steal~~ get inspired from. Now you can hear music from around the world. And since I've watched/listened a lot of Korean music, I find many American tunes incorporated into their music. But who would know unless you listened to both?

I love John Williams music but I have also listened to a lot of classic. I find stuff he was "inspired" by.

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Don't forget to donate!

by neat blue dog in

the lucrative events otherwise known as assemblies and conventions are cancelled, which i'm sure has hit the wts in the pocketbook a little.

so the newest article on jwdotorg reminds us all yet again of the online recurring donation feature that takes credit and debit cards.. https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/global/making-electronic-donations-in-view-of-covid-19-precautions/.

a 74-year-old publisher .

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Maybe they could have a hotline to God. Then God could listen and see who's having trouble buying food or making rent and donate to them online. No one would have to know it was "heavenly" intervention. Why does a 74 year old man have to support a bunch of able bodied men in warwick?

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EVERY Religion has Hypocrites- even the TRUE One!

by MuchCloserLook in

so, if you expect to find 'saints' with halos, you will never find real christians.. after over 30 years of being a jw, there are many things about the org that disturb me- yet no one else even acknowledges the only true god, as jesus referred to him.. not a 'they' or 'them' ('trinity')- but him!and he has always had the name jehovah (yehovah in hebrew)- even though the koine greek had no version of it when the nt was written.. so among the many things real christians have to endure- is often each other!

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I sat in a stadium in 1974 and listened to the keynote talk on Sunday. In 1975, 6,000 years of Adam will have come to it's completion in fall. Whether it's a few months or weeks after that, the nations will know..... What will you be doing? Will you be out in service? etc.

What I really liked several years ago at another assembly, was the fact that they mocked those that had listened to that talk (and others) and believed that 1975 was Armageddon. They linked them with that guy who had a date for armaggedon to arrive - Harold Camping. hahaha yes those brothers had credit card debt hahaha except most loyal Jw's had sold houses and businesses to intensify the preaching - all the while being praised by the GB.- and then suffered afterwards because of listening to them. hahaha the joke was on them. And the last video the GB made on the subject - painted them as spiritually weak for believing them that 1975 was an important year.

Just goes to show that they rationalize, excuse and blame others for their own mistakes. And God? He must accept that hypocritical stuff from them because he's done nothing to correct them. Just like he accepts all the other religious hypocrites.

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I watched/listened to the Sandman's vid (Sanderson)

by days of future passed in

yes, i listened to it.

my sister has received the invite to watch this from a hopeful relative.

it's been talked about here and on reddit.

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Yes, I listened to it. My sister has received the invite to watch this from a hopeful relative. It's been talked about here and on Reddit. So I listened while doing other things.

Near the end of this heartwarming speech, he quoted the August 15, 2015 WT. He read this paragraph:

7 But how bad do you expect conditions to become before “the great tribulation”? (Rev. 7:14) For example, do you expect that there will be a war in every country, no food on anyone’s table, and illness in every household? Under those conditions, even skeptics would likely feel compelled to admit that Bible prophecy was undergoing fulfillment. However, Jesus said that most people would take “no note” of his presence, carrying on with life’s normal activities until it is too late. (Read Matthew 24:37-39.) Thus, the Scriptures indicate that world conditions during the last days would not become so extreme that people would be forced to believe that the end is near.—Luke 17:20; 2 Pet. 3:3, 4.

So this is describing about any time in the history of man. There doesn't need to be full blown badness, just enough to make life difficult and there you go, the Time of the End. And I love the part about the skeptics - God wouldn't want to force people to know it was the end or to be too noticeable otherwise some people might believe him!

And lest you think that this isn't serious ignoring the signs, Jesus will show up and:

10 Many of us have been keeping awake spiritually for decades. However, let us not allow the passing of time to weaken our resolve to keep in expectation. We need to be ready for Jesus’ arrival as Executioner to end this system of things.

The rest of the article gives examples of people who waited years for the end to come but are still going out in service. Habbakuk is touted as someone who also waited a long time and didn't tire out and lose his favored position in God's eyes.

It's right in peoples faces that the WT is using a publication from 5 years ago to send them into a do or die situation. 5 years ago they said the same thing. 5 years from now, they will tout the Covid pandemic as another reason we know it's the end.

Sigh.

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Deuteronomy 24:16 King James Version (KJV)